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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14446</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT Cunningham: You should not have to clear cookies. But this is a bug. What&#039;s so hard to understand about that?

The particular case that causes the problem does not happen to everybody (there&#039;s timing related issues involved, you have to be somewhat unlucky to have it occur), but for those few people that it does happen to, clearing your cookies fixes it. Simple.

It&#039;s also not really a matter of a &quot;bugfix&quot; as it&#039;s a upgrade-process related issue. Once you clear the cookies, the problem goes away and won&#039;t return. Easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT Cunningham: You should not have to clear cookies. But this is a bug. What&#8217;s so hard to understand about that?</p>
<p>The particular case that causes the problem does not happen to everybody (there&#8217;s timing related issues involved, you have to be somewhat unlucky to have it occur), but for those few people that it does happen to, clearing your cookies fixes it. Simple.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also not really a matter of a &#8220;bugfix&#8221; as it&#8217;s a upgrade-process related issue. Once you clear the cookies, the problem goes away and won&#8217;t return. Easy.</p>
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		<title>By: RT Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14444</link>
		<dc:creator>RT Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect Otto, why should we have to clear cookies after an upgrade? Shouldn&#039;t the WordPress upgrade sequence handle that? If not, wouldn&#039;t it be quite simple to add a line to the upgrade procedure, displayed where anyone could see that says, &quot;You must clear your cookies.&quot;

You have to look at it from a user&#039;s perspective, not a developers perspective. Developers and programmers take things for granted -- the obvious is not quite so obvious to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect Otto, why should we have to clear cookies after an upgrade? Shouldn&#8217;t the WordPress upgrade sequence handle that? If not, wouldn&#8217;t it be quite simple to add a line to the upgrade procedure, displayed where anyone could see that says, &#8220;You must clear your cookies.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have to look at it from a user&#8217;s perspective, not a developers perspective. Developers and programmers take things for granted &#8212; the obvious is not quite so obvious to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14443</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearing your cookies works in ALL cases that I have encountered. Here it is over a week or two later, and we still have not received one other real report of the problem that this person claimed to fix.

There will be no fix because there is and was no such problem to begin with. Clearing your cookies *works*. It worked back then too. Some people simply refused to believe me. 

Also, it&#039;s amazing how quiet they got after a few days, probably because they realized that they had simply screwed up in some other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearing your cookies works in ALL cases that I have encountered. Here it is over a week or two later, and we still have not received one other real report of the problem that this person claimed to fix.</p>
<p>There will be no fix because there is and was no such problem to begin with. Clearing your cookies *works*. It worked back then too. Some people simply refused to believe me. </p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s amazing how quiet they got after a few days, probably because they realized that they had simply screwed up in some other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajaie AlKorani</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14336</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajaie AlKorani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, I&#039;m sure the WordPress team were expecting a better response from all the WordPress users :) Ah well, I guess it&#039;s their fault for releasing too many versions too quickly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, I&#8217;m sure the WordPress team were expecting a better response from all the WordPress users <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Ah well, I guess it&#8217;s their fault for releasing too many versions too quickly</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14318</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben said - 
&quot;Actually, I’d say it’s more of a weakness with projects where changes are made based on what the developers want, rather than what the users want.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly it. A lot of the things the users complained about with 2.5 have not been fixed in 2.6, so one is wondering what the point of this upgrade was at all because 2.6 was supposed to fix things they &quot;broke&quot; in 2.5 like the widgets page and the sidebar in the write posts page (putting categories back where they belong) among others.

I saw someone the other day say that they wished Wordpress would bring back the publish in the future feature, and then another user said hey, it is still there, it is just hidden away from you. So this poor user had been thinking they took away a great feature just because they made it much less usable and really didn&#039;t tell people it was still there and could be used.

They need to realise that people get used to doing things a certain way and when you make a change it has to be to make things *easier* not harder. That is what usability is all about.

Also, Ben - from my understanding, post revisions is going to clutter up databases. As we already know, Wordpress is pretty database hungry, so this can only make things worse. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben said &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Actually, I’d say it’s more of a weakness with projects where changes are made based on what the developers want, rather than what the users want.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly it. A lot of the things the users complained about with 2.5 have not been fixed in 2.6, so one is wondering what the point of this upgrade was at all because 2.6 was supposed to fix things they &#8220;broke&#8221; in 2.5 like the widgets page and the sidebar in the write posts page (putting categories back where they belong) among others.</p>
<p>I saw someone the other day say that they wished WordPress would bring back the publish in the future feature, and then another user said hey, it is still there, it is just hidden away from you. So this poor user had been thinking they took away a great feature just because they made it much less usable and really didn&#8217;t tell people it was still there and could be used.</p>
<p>They need to realise that people get used to doing things a certain way and when you make a change it has to be to make things *easier* not harder. That is what usability is all about.</p>
<p>Also, Ben &#8211; from my understanding, post revisions is going to clutter up databases. As we already know, WordPress is pretty database hungry, so this can only make things worse. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Barden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Barden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is the weakness of open source: upgrading for the sake of it because the developer did something “cool”...&quot;

Actually, I&#039;d say it&#039;s more of a weakness with projects where changes are made based on what the developers want, rather than what the users want.

On the other hand, I&#039;ve been in many situations where users haven&#039;t asked for anything new, but developers still make changes and add new things that users actually find useful. Sometimes it is better to be proactive instead only making changes when people ask for them. I&#039;d easily prefer this over hearing excuses for not changing anything ever.

I think it&#039;s important to look at which areas of a system are in need of work. I&#039;d certainly look at that before changing things that people didn&#039;t ask for. Looking at the WP 2.6 changes, I do think that adding post revisions was a good thing. I haven&#039;t looked at the whole list. That one just jumped out at me as a plus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is the weakness of open source: upgrading for the sake of it because the developer did something “cool”&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s more of a weakness with projects where changes are made based on what the developers want, rather than what the users want.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;ve been in many situations where users haven&#8217;t asked for anything new, but developers still make changes and add new things that users actually find useful. Sometimes it is better to be proactive instead only making changes when people ask for them. I&#8217;d easily prefer this over hearing excuses for not changing anything ever.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to look at which areas of a system are in need of work. I&#8217;d certainly look at that before changing things that people didn&#8217;t ask for. Looking at the WP 2.6 changes, I do think that adding post revisions was a good thing. I haven&#8217;t looked at the whole list. That one just jumped out at me as a plus.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After upgrading to 2.6 my images will no longer align centre or right, also the text will not wrap at all.

Somebody help me out here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After upgrading to 2.6 my images will no longer align centre or right, also the text will not wrap at all.</p>
<p>Somebody help me out here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Where did WordPress go wrong? &#124; Sephy's Platzish</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14308</link>
		<dc:creator>Where did WordPress go wrong? &#124; Sephy's Platzish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are getting warned by their hosts about databases filling up due to all the revisions?}, tons of bugs that didn&#8217;t happen until upgrading and the fact that the widgets page is still messed up), but there are people who are satisfied with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are getting warned by their hosts about databases filling up due to all the revisions?}, tons of bugs that didn&#8217;t happen until upgrading and the fact that the widgets page is still messed up), but there are people who are satisfied with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RT Cunningham &#124; Philippines</title>
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		<dc:creator>RT Cunningham &#124; Philippines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what&#039;s up with the Turbo/Google Gears thing? I didn&#039;t see the HUGE speedup that they claimed and I&#039;m on a crappy DSL connection, sub-1 MB.

If WordPress was optimized for speed in the first place, it wouldn&#039;t have to be upgraded to make it faster. Meh, I&#039;m writing my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what&#8217;s up with the Turbo/Google Gears thing? I didn&#8217;t see the HUGE speedup that they claimed and I&#8217;m on a crappy DSL connection, sub-1 MB.</p>
<p>If WordPress was optimized for speed in the first place, it wouldn&#8217;t have to be upgraded to make it faster. Meh, I&#8217;m writing my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2008/07/wordpress-26-warning-do-not-upgrade.html/comment-page-1#comment-14306</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they are moving towards integrating as many of the plugins as they can which is actually not what people want - as shown by the addition of TinyMCE to the basic package and also the gallery stuff - but people want to be able to choose the plugins that are right for them instead of being forced to use things that don&#039;t do what they need.

However at this time I think Wordpress has lost all sense of what the people want, and are going with what they want instead. It is around now that they become Microsoft, isn&#039;t it? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are moving towards integrating as many of the plugins as they can which is actually not what people want &#8211; as shown by the addition of TinyMCE to the basic package and also the gallery stuff &#8211; but people want to be able to choose the plugins that are right for them instead of being forced to use things that don&#8217;t do what they need.</p>
<p>However at this time I think WordPress has lost all sense of what the people want, and are going with what they want instead. It is around now that they become Microsoft, isn&#8217;t it? <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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