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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/we-cannot-talk-about-sex-before-money.html/comment-page-1#comment-9912</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teeni - I wonder that too, but sometimes something just disturbs us and we&#039;re not sure why. ;(&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cugat - That is sort of true. Baiting can hurt people because some baiters push the line into doing bad things to scammers, as we know. ;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for the comments all!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Snoskred&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.snoskred.org/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.snoskred.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teeni &#8211; I wonder that too, but sometimes something just disturbs us and we&#8217;re not sure why. ;(</p>
<p>Cugat &#8211; That is sort of true. Baiting can hurt people because some baiters push the line into doing bad things to scammers, as we know. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments all!</p>
<p>Snoskred<br /><a HREF="http://www.snoskred.org/" REL="nofollow">http://www.snoskred.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cugat</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/we-cannot-talk-about-sex-before-money.html/comment-page-1#comment-9903</link>
		<dc:creator>Cugat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes people&#039;s problem with baiting scammers is the perception that the scammers are really just poor, desperate people in Africa trying to make their lives better by stealing a little bit of money here and there from much wealthier westerners. From what I&#039;ve found, they&#039;re actually very successful criminals who live more than comfortable lives and view their scamming as a career. For that reason I have no sympathy. And if someone is dumb enough to think he&#039;s corresponding with a model, so be it. (I think that&#039;s the attitude of a lot of people regarding the victims--if they&#039;re dumb enough to send money, they deserve to lose it).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And baiting doesn&#039;t hurt anyone, so I&#039;m all for it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.vegetative.net/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cugat&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes people&#8217;s problem with baiting scammers is the perception that the scammers are really just poor, desperate people in Africa trying to make their lives better by stealing a little bit of money here and there from much wealthier westerners. From what I&#8217;ve found, they&#8217;re actually very successful criminals who live more than comfortable lives and view their scamming as a career. For that reason I have no sympathy. And if someone is dumb enough to think he&#8217;s corresponding with a model, so be it. (I think that&#8217;s the attitude of a lot of people regarding the victims&#8211;if they&#8217;re dumb enough to send money, they deserve to lose it).</p>
<p>And baiting doesn&#8217;t hurt anyone, so I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.vegetative.net/" REL="nofollow">Cugat</a></p>
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		<title>By: teeni</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/we-cannot-talk-about-sex-before-money.html/comment-page-1#comment-9896</link>
		<dc:creator>teeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder just what about it bothers Hari.  I find it a little humorous to see the conversation they have with a computer.  It makes me feel like they are getting what they deserve since they are not fairly representing themselves either.  What a horrible story about the scam victim.  Nobody deserves to have that happen to them - I don&#039;t even wish something that awful on the scammers themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder just what about it bothers Hari.  I find it a little humorous to see the conversation they have with a computer.  It makes me feel like they are getting what they deserve since they are not fairly representing themselves either.  What a horrible story about the scam victim.  Nobody deserves to have that happen to them &#8211; I don&#8217;t even wish something that awful on the scammers themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said I can understand your reasoning and the fact that scamming is a serious crime... and I appreciate your explanation which makes a lot of sense.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know you didn&#039;t ask others to do it, but still... when I read it, I just expressed what I thought openly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said I can understand your reasoning and the fact that scamming is a serious crime&#8230; and I appreciate your explanation which makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>I know you didn&#8217;t ask others to do it, but still&#8230; when I read it, I just expressed what I thought openly.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/we-cannot-talk-about-sex-before-money.html/comment-page-1#comment-9894</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s ok Hari. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn&#039;t have to feel right to you, because I&#039;m not saying to you that you should do it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You will be unhappy to know that the scammers are moving to your neck of the woods - the pickings are rich in India. They are scamming more and more people there. People who don&#039;t really understand what is going on with the scam - and generally people who don&#039;t speak English as their first language.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I tell you why I still do it. In December of 2004 a scam victim was killed. This was back in the days when baiters were working with the South African police. A number of my scambaiting friends knew that this victim was missing because the South African police had asked them for help tracking down any information on those scammers - addresses, IP addresses, phone numbers, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When the victim was found dead, he was not recognizable. From information gained from witnesses (who were too scared to do anything) and from the post mortem, they found out that he had been badly beaten, then tied to the back of a vehicle and dragged around, then beaten some more, then they poured gasoline over him and set him alight. While he was still alive and conscious. He could not get up because they had broken almost every bone in his body. He lay there in excrutiating pain, until he died.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If my scambaiting characters can take the focus of one real victim and stop the scammer from being able to concentrate on getting one real victim to travel to see them.. then it is worth it. That&#039;s potentially a life saved.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That victim who died? I think of him every single day. I also think of all the victims I have stopped from travelling by warning them and making phone calls. A lot of that information comes to me from my baiting - scammers send me emails intended for someone else by accident, scammers turn into informants and many times scammers friends and family contact me as the &quot;victim&quot; to warn me off - and then that person becomes an informant. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is all information I could never get unless I baited these scammers. So for me, it&#039;s worth it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Breaking their hearts into little pieces, like they do to their victims? That&#039;s just a side effect. Maybe it teaches them how hurtful their actions can be. Maybe once they grow a heart, they might use it to stop scamming. I don&#039;t know. But I do know thousands of victims have been warned thanks to *my* scambaiting alone. And that is worthwhile.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers,&lt;br/&gt;Snoskred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s ok Hari. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn&#8217;t have to feel right to you, because I&#8217;m not saying to you that you should do it.</p>
<p>You will be unhappy to know that the scammers are moving to your neck of the woods &#8211; the pickings are rich in India. They are scamming more and more people there. People who don&#8217;t really understand what is going on with the scam &#8211; and generally people who don&#8217;t speak English as their first language.</p>
<p>I tell you why I still do it. In December of 2004 a scam victim was killed. This was back in the days when baiters were working with the South African police. A number of my scambaiting friends knew that this victim was missing because the South African police had asked them for help tracking down any information on those scammers &#8211; addresses, IP addresses, phone numbers, etc.</p>
<p>When the victim was found dead, he was not recognizable. From information gained from witnesses (who were too scared to do anything) and from the post mortem, they found out that he had been badly beaten, then tied to the back of a vehicle and dragged around, then beaten some more, then they poured gasoline over him and set him alight. While he was still alive and conscious. He could not get up because they had broken almost every bone in his body. He lay there in excrutiating pain, until he died.</p>
<p>If my scambaiting characters can take the focus of one real victim and stop the scammer from being able to concentrate on getting one real victim to travel to see them.. then it is worth it. That&#8217;s potentially a life saved.</p>
<p>That victim who died? I think of him every single day. I also think of all the victims I have stopped from travelling by warning them and making phone calls. A lot of that information comes to me from my baiting &#8211; scammers send me emails intended for someone else by accident, scammers turn into informants and many times scammers friends and family contact me as the &#8220;victim&#8221; to warn me off &#8211; and then that person becomes an informant. </p>
<p>That is all information I could never get unless I baited these scammers. So for me, it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
<p>Breaking their hearts into little pieces, like they do to their victims? That&#8217;s just a side effect. Maybe it teaches them how hurtful their actions can be. Maybe once they grow a heart, they might use it to stop scamming. I don&#8217;t know. But I do know thousands of victims have been warned thanks to *my* scambaiting alone. And that is worthwhile.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Snoskred</p>
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		<title>By: hari</title>
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		<dc:creator>hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t feel right to me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, I know that scammers are criminals (sometimes violent) and the reasons why you do scam-baiting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it still doesn&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;feel&lt;/strong&gt; right to me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Apologies for the dissenting opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t feel right to me.</p>
<p>No, I know that scammers are criminals (sometimes violent) and the reasons why you do scam-baiting.</p>
<p>But it still doesn&#8217;t <strong>feel</strong> right to me.</p>
<p>Apologies for the dissenting opinion.</p>
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