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		<title>By: GetGreen</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/humans-let-us-all-waste-water.html/comment-page-1#comment-14353</link>
		<dc:creator>GetGreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post - clearly you&#039;re an experienced writer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post &#8211; clearly you&#8217;re an experienced writer!</p>
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		<title>By: ShadowKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShadowKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fantastic post and food for thought.  We do have a front loader and it hammers along well.  Once I move I shall be recycling the grey water produced from standard operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic post and food for thought.  We do have a front loader and it hammers along well.  Once I move I shall be recycling the grey water produced from standard operation.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie M</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/humans-let-us-all-waste-water.html/comment-page-1#comment-11572</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative.  My issue is you did not devote enough consideration to cost.  I recently paid a total of $400 for a top loading washer and dryer from Best Buy.  I only wish I could spend $650 on a washer alone.  Most Americans can&#039;t afford it. period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative.  My issue is you did not devote enough consideration to cost.  I recently paid a total of $400 for a top loading washer and dryer from Best Buy.  I only wish I could spend $650 on a washer alone.  Most Americans can&#8217;t afford it. period.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Snoskred,
Just wanted to let you know I linked to this post in my blog post this morning.  LOVE my front loader.  :-) Great post!!!

Jodi/Lightening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Snoskred,<br />
Just wanted to let you know I linked to this post in my blog post this morning.  LOVE my front loader.  <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great post!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
		<link>http://www.snoskred.org/2007/10/humans-let-us-all-waste-water.html/comment-page-1#comment-10292</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alyndabear - Thanks!

Opal - I am surprised to hear that - usually in the US everyone has a big Maytag top loader or something. ;)

Univiction - Water heating is something which wastes a lot of water because the water is not hot when you turn on the tap. I recently saw they have invented something to fix that, but I can&#039;t remember what it was called.

Tex - You&#039;ll want to make sure to get the front loader, not the top loader. ;) My uncle had a property which used dam water and I understand how your wife feels about that. Clean water is such a blessing - but if we don&#039;t consider how much we use, we might all end up with brown bore water someday! ;(

I&#039;ll be back a little later with more comment replies - there are so many for this post! Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alyndabear &#8211; Thanks!</p>
<p>Opal &#8211; I am surprised to hear that &#8211; usually in the US everyone has a big Maytag top loader or something. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Univiction &#8211; Water heating is something which wastes a lot of water because the water is not hot when you turn on the tap. I recently saw they have invented something to fix that, but I can&#8217;t remember what it was called.</p>
<p>Tex &#8211; You&#8217;ll want to make sure to get the front loader, not the top loader. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  My uncle had a property which used dam water and I understand how your wife feels about that. Clean water is such a blessing &#8211; but if we don&#8217;t consider how much we use, we might all end up with brown bore water someday! ;(</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be back a little later with more comment replies &#8211; there are so many for this post! Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.<br />
Snoskred</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Post. When I first lived in America in the 1980s, front loaders were very rare. When we went back in early 2001, the selection was better, but the price difference was significant. We still bought one because my wife was completed convinced. We had had front loaders in Singapore, which were widely used there because of space. We have one now here in Adelaide. 

After a campaign on front loaders, how about one on dryers. Why so many dryers in the US and Australia, where the weather is generally pretty good for much of the year. I wrote about this earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Post. When I first lived in America in the 1980s, front loaders were very rare. When we went back in early 2001, the selection was better, but the price difference was significant. We still bought one because my wife was completed convinced. We had had front loaders in Singapore, which were widely used there because of space. We have one now here in Adelaide. </p>
<p>After a campaign on front loaders, how about one on dryers. Why so many dryers in the US and Australia, where the weather is generally pretty good for much of the year. I wrote about this earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen - Ouch! I am not even going to ask whether it was full of dirty water because there&#039;s a 50% chance it was.. :( The difference with nappies must have been very noticeable, because I saw the difference with my clothes without the things you find in nappies was incredible.. 

River - I agree that many people can&#039;t afford to throw out their top loader - however can we as a country afford to let the people who can&#039;t afford to throw out their top loader use that amount of water?

I think governments have to get involved here as well as councils and water authorities. In NSW they have a $150 rebate which is given to people who purchase a 4 star water efficient machine. This means that the purchase rate of front loaders has soared here. That is one good way to help people to make the right decisions rather than make excuses. 

I also think the price of excess water needs to go way, way up. When the electricity prices rose in Adelaide, residents looked for ways to save money with their electricity.

Back in a sec with more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen &#8211; Ouch! I am not even going to ask whether it was full of dirty water because there&#8217;s a 50% chance it was.. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  The difference with nappies must have been very noticeable, because I saw the difference with my clothes without the things you find in nappies was incredible.. </p>
<p>River &#8211; I agree that many people can&#8217;t afford to throw out their top loader &#8211; however can we as a country afford to let the people who can&#8217;t afford to throw out their top loader use that amount of water?</p>
<p>I think governments have to get involved here as well as councils and water authorities. In NSW they have a $150 rebate which is given to people who purchase a 4 star water efficient machine. This means that the purchase rate of front loaders has soared here. That is one good way to help people to make the right decisions rather than make excuses. </p>
<p>I also think the price of excess water needs to go way, way up. When the electricity prices rose in Adelaide, residents looked for ways to save money with their electricity.</p>
<p>Back in a sec with more!</p>
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		<title>By: Snoskred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoskred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for your wonderful comments and all the support in linking to this, putting this on digg and stumbleupon and various other places. As I type this my front loader is whirring into a spin with the bedclothes. I love my front load washer. ;)

Teeni - It is wonderful to hear that they are becoming more common in the US. I always leave the door open of mine - it is a common front loader issue because if the water needs to be able to evaporate into the air - if there&#039;s no fresh air it can&#039;t do that. 

I think the Japanese bathroom idea sounds brilliant - they have a lot of great stuff there including socks which never smell - and scented socks too! How do they keep all this stuff to themselves? :( Is it that they think the rest of the world won&#039;t pay for the same things? Hands up anyone who would NOT buy socks which never smell? That&#039;s right, we all would.

Sueblimely - we do have a lot of space in Australia which is one reason top loaders are more popular, sadly. Great work on reducing the water consumption - I bet the electricity consumption dropped too, right?

Kin - because I use so much less detergent, I spend a little extra and get the TriNature detergent which smells incredible and lasts for ages. I had a 2kg bucket which lasted a YEAR.. I was stunned. 

Kirsten - Some landlords are so short sighted. :( But yay for buying a house! I&#039;m excited for you. I love those tv shows where they take people through houses, I love looking at houses, I should work in real estate, maybe. ;)

Back in a moment with more replies - else it gets too long! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for your wonderful comments and all the support in linking to this, putting this on digg and stumbleupon and various other places. As I type this my front loader is whirring into a spin with the bedclothes. I love my front load washer. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Teeni &#8211; It is wonderful to hear that they are becoming more common in the US. I always leave the door open of mine &#8211; it is a common front loader issue because if the water needs to be able to evaporate into the air &#8211; if there&#8217;s no fresh air it can&#8217;t do that. </p>
<p>I think the Japanese bathroom idea sounds brilliant &#8211; they have a lot of great stuff there including socks which never smell &#8211; and scented socks too! How do they keep all this stuff to themselves? <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Is it that they think the rest of the world won&#8217;t pay for the same things? Hands up anyone who would NOT buy socks which never smell? That&#8217;s right, we all would.</p>
<p>Sueblimely &#8211; we do have a lot of space in Australia which is one reason top loaders are more popular, sadly. Great work on reducing the water consumption &#8211; I bet the electricity consumption dropped too, right?</p>
<p>Kin &#8211; because I use so much less detergent, I spend a little extra and get the TriNature detergent which smells incredible and lasts for ages. I had a 2kg bucket which lasted a YEAR.. I was stunned. </p>
<p>Kirsten &#8211; Some landlords are so short sighted. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  But yay for buying a house! I&#8217;m excited for you. I love those tv shows where they take people through houses, I love looking at houses, I should work in real estate, maybe. <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Back in a moment with more replies &#8211; else it gets too long! <img src='http://www.snoskred.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Inglis  ( Architect and energy / water researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Inglis  ( Architect and energy / water researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Snoskred and readers, I found much to admire in your article, but there may be other strategies to avoid unnecessary extravagances where a perfectly workablewashing  machine is there. There is no law which stops you doing the following as we do
1. shower with a bucket (or 2)
2.empty bucket (s) into washing machine (ours is a top- load about 6 years old)
3. use water in cycles and collect water from cycles, using detergent loaded wastewater in non vegie or non-food parts of garden,  or
4. take lid of toilet cistern (if accessible) and fill cistern . (our float valve has been broken , hence we started &quot;topping up&quot;.

 This  trickle-down or &quot;on-flow&quot; approach to water use allows for 3 or 4 uses and can displace far more than just the outlay for a frontload machine.
Of course you could install waterless toilets in lieu of the existing sewer connected one, and collect rainwater or greywater or a combined system or a  &quot;Nubian&quot; type water reprocessor without getting much change from $6000.00  plus $360 per year servicing and quality review (it is after all a miniature water processing plant and a might complex compared to a washing machine).
So I do not wish to insult your public courtesy in the blog, but as in all things in life there are practical alternatives. There is an excellent free book put out by the Victorian Women&#039;s Trust on the water issues in Australia which gives a much fuller and broader dimension to the water and drought issues facing Australia, published 2007

Victorian Women&#039;s Trust
L1 388 Bourke St, Melbourne 3000
tel +61 3 9642 0422 Facs +61 3 9642 0016
E: women@vwt.org.au  or http://www.vwt.org.au  

For instance You and readers could start to understand the amount of water used to produce 1 kilo of beefsteak (it is about 16,000 litres) ; a change of diet will save a lot more than a front loader. But that might be regarded as insulting to some.

You could look at Coombes and Kucera&#039;s work in Newcastle Uni about raintanks in urban settings and behavioural responses: appropriate water use can really lead to many &quot;green &quot; and positive consequences.
 Better use of water metering and greater community &quot;pressure&quot; on politicians of all persuasions can make sure the changes keep happening

You makes your choices and &#039;dems de breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Snoskred and readers, I found much to admire in your article, but there may be other strategies to avoid unnecessary extravagances where a perfectly workablewashing  machine is there. There is no law which stops you doing the following as we do<br />
1. shower with a bucket (or 2)<br />
2.empty bucket (s) into washing machine (ours is a top- load about 6 years old)<br />
3. use water in cycles and collect water from cycles, using detergent loaded wastewater in non vegie or non-food parts of garden,  or<br />
4. take lid of toilet cistern (if accessible) and fill cistern . (our float valve has been broken , hence we started &#8220;topping up&#8221;.</p>
<p> This  trickle-down or &#8220;on-flow&#8221; approach to water use allows for 3 or 4 uses and can displace far more than just the outlay for a frontload machine.<br />
Of course you could install waterless toilets in lieu of the existing sewer connected one, and collect rainwater or greywater or a combined system or a  &#8220;Nubian&#8221; type water reprocessor without getting much change from $6000.00  plus $360 per year servicing and quality review (it is after all a miniature water processing plant and a might complex compared to a washing machine).<br />
So I do not wish to insult your public courtesy in the blog, but as in all things in life there are practical alternatives. There is an excellent free book put out by the Victorian Women&#8217;s Trust on the water issues in Australia which gives a much fuller and broader dimension to the water and drought issues facing Australia, published 2007</p>
<p>Victorian Women&#8217;s Trust<br />
L1 388 Bourke St, Melbourne 3000<br />
tel +61 3 9642 0422 Facs +61 3 9642 0016<br />
E: <a href="mailto:women@vwt.org.au">women@vwt.org.au</a>  or <a href="http://www.vwt.org.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.vwt.org.au</a>  </p>
<p>For instance You and readers could start to understand the amount of water used to produce 1 kilo of beefsteak (it is about 16,000 litres) ; a change of diet will save a lot more than a front loader. But that might be regarded as insulting to some.</p>
<p>You could look at Coombes and Kucera&#8217;s work in Newcastle Uni about raintanks in urban settings and behavioural responses: appropriate water use can really lead to many &#8220;green &#8221; and positive consequences.<br />
 Better use of water metering and greater community &#8220;pressure&#8221; on politicians of all persuasions can make sure the changes keep happening</p>
<p>You makes your choices and &#8216;dems de breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: meno</title>
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		<dc:creator>meno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We bought front loaders about 5 years ago when we remodeled our house.  I love them and our water usage actually went down noticably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We bought front loaders about 5 years ago when we remodeled our house.  I love them and our water usage actually went down noticably.</p>
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